i've always used my controllers for some games, but i never thought about flash games.. @___@ thanks mindchamber..

I must admit I haven't thought of playing any game on my computer with a controller in... well, a very VERY long time. However, this does seem to be a really cool thing to have.

Lol awesome idea.

Where can you get ahold of these controllers at? how much are they?

awesome, but it keeps saying that it can't find my controller.

Don't be ridiculous, everyone knows that bashing the keyboard with your cock is the best way to play Flash games.

that's sweet cause i just learned a way to use my PS3 controller as a PC controller, i'll give this a shot :D

OH MY GOD THAT CONTROLLER IS AWESOME.

Ive known about that for years, I play mostly snes and n64 with my 360 controler, though I should get a SF4 controler for the snes games :P

I knew of this a long time. Its a great program.

And when each Flash game has different controls?Doesn't it become a little hard when you have to adjust that every time?

I would have got it long ago, but I have a Mac. Unless somebody can send me to a Mac equivalent, I'll stick with my beloved keyboard. It's still a good piece of software.

Can it work with PS3 controllers?

Thats going to make it easier for me to be the first to win a million medals. XD

For some games like A Bad Taste of Pico that require the mouse to play them is it possible to take away the mouses control and make it a joysticks control?

Know what I mean?

I just started using it and it's a great program. My usb controller came with a mapping program built in, but it's so convoluted to set up, j2k is a much easier option.

I just need that fucking sexy gamepad

I started using that around the time I got sick of using the keyboard for ROM's. With the way games are being made now, and the way my mind is used to using my thumbs instead of fingers, it's just way more natural.

There are a few games I've played on NG that did something that I'll probably mimic if/when I ever get down to making the game. Rather than have the wasd setup and mouse, the controls are mapped on the left and right of the keyboard (shift, ctrl, z), (enter, +, Del). That way, you hold your keyboard sort of like a controller. It's a tad awkard, but easier to use in the long-run since you get to use your thumbs like you would a controller. :D

Would've used it if there was a Mac equivalent... oh well

Xpadder is better. cheers:)

mindchamber....this is really interesting it might change the way we play flash games. thank god i have a xbox 360 controller.

took me about 10 mins, to figure out how to use it, but after that I got the juciy kissed medal on da pink knight.

im gonna try play tf2 with this.

how did you hook up your xbox controller to it?

K so i've downloaded Joy2Key, opened and extracted.

Clicked Setup ad i got the "There's no controller and make sure DirectX 6 is installed hur hur hur" message.

So, i connected my XBox 360 Controller to my computer using the XBox's USB Connector and waited, nothing happened after a while it just sat on my desk, flashing away.

Sooooo what now MC?

Oh and it's still not detecting any controllers and still asking for DirectX 6.....

I don't think I'd use a controller for flash games simply out of principal. I feel like if you intend to make a game you play with a controller, you should make it downloadable or something like XNA. Flash games are so quick and accessible I would hate to set up anything extra just to play one, unless it was absolutely phenomenal and I was playing it all the time.

Would this program be able to work with roms like ZNES and virtual boy?

since im sick tired of keyboards not reading multiple buttons at a time and that causes my death a lot of times in free ware games like megaman 7 NES version

After I read this post I ran out and got my 360 Controller! Thanks MC! We love you! <3

I assume you guys used this at applecon =D

too bad I don't have a contoler... =(

also... FLASH NEEDS TO COMPITABLE WITH CONRTROLERS ALREADY!!!!
maybe then someone can make a comptent shooter for flash!!!!!

just downloaded it. going to use it today!

Too bad keyboards are better than controllers

Those Controllers look pretty good
where can i find one of these? i really wan't one

but since the the keyboard has like thousands of controls like letter, numbers, Print Screen, Enter, Ctrl

do i only got to put the arrows
for example if i play a flash game with that controler, and i to shoot is A, to move is with the arrows, b is to run, y is shield and x is for changing weapons
they gotta look like this
Controller (A) and to remapped the controller as a keyboard then i got to use the H on the keyboard so in the controller is H as in A

i know i don't understand what am saying nethier.

I was thinking about this recently whilst animating stuff for the game I'm making. It'd nice to be able to vary the movement speeds of the controlled character (depending on how hard you push it) whilst playing by using a mini joystick like on a 360 controller. But its not something you'd want to leave open to the people who just have the equipment. Its a nice thought though.

Nice

I'm all for pushing the boundaries but I'm just saying there are better options already available for people who want to push their game further. It's hard not to acknowledge Flash as a really powerful medium now and it can surely handle games that are really outstanding, but it's a medium that inherently involves mouse and keyboard, you know? If I opened up a flash game and it told me to use a peripheral I don't have, I'd just say "guess I'm not playing this game, then."

I guess it's a matter of preference. I always considered the use of a specific medium to be important in a decision to make something to begin with. I mean if you plan to write a story with all kinds of internal dialogue it'd be much smarter to write a novel instead of make a movie. I consider flash to be the same way, although I don't rule out the possibility of whatever new ideas break the norm.

You can play a game however you want to play it of course but I'm more referring to the idea that a developer designs a flash game with the intention of making it more playable with a controller. It just seems silly to choose Flash as a medium to do that when there are better options.

In fact arguing this seems kind of silly too WHY DO I CARE SO MUCH GOD

Holy crap!

You reckon I could set this up to work with PC games as well? :3

I found that out like a year on vNES. i use it on all flash games i play.

garrrrrr too bad my XBox controller's wireless.

I get what Ego's saying, I'd close any game that told me to go and get a controller. Using a controller for a game that's based on old console games is also a good point though.
If anyone's makin a game that feels a bit shit on a keyboard, I think they'd do better to design around it. Like a fast-paced action platformer with long and short range attacks would suck on a keyboard, so I made it use a mouse and now it's fuckin perfect. Not everyone can be a genious like me tho obv.

I should REALLY get back to work on that game.

Oh I get what you mean about it being an option, that sounds cool. Just I'd worry that it'd give other players a extra edge of control over those without such "pressure sensitive" controls. Considering I'm planning to work online capabilities into the thing I'm making o:..

I'll look into it though!

You never cease to amaze me.

I haven't used joy2key since i stopped playing frets on fire.
Now that you mention this, it gives me a reason to get it again.

since most of my controllers are SAITEK I just use their programming software. it's super fast and easy to use, and if you want to learn more complicated controls the advanced programing really isn't that hard. and with the macros you can chain things together so easily. Logitech has programming software for their stuff too.

I get it, which is why I said that whole last paragraph of my way too long reply, to elaborate what I'm talking about, as you did and our points are out there and clear I'm gunna go kill myself now.

I do every time.

Actually my big dumb head has something else to say.

You said most flash games these days are just imitations of old console games which use a controller. Alright I see this as a valid point but from my standpoint I see that as being a poor use of mediums. By my argument then making an imitation of a console game would be better for a console, or a downloadable game. If you make a game for flash the implications are that the keyboard or mouse or both are the best option for control but the very nature of the game you're making implies they clearly aren't and there's therefore conflict in design principles.

It was a poor choice for the developer to make a game that was meant to use a controller for a medium that is almost never associated with the use of controllers.

BUT this does not change the fact that these games exist and you do have the option of using the controller and I'm sure people will and your post inspired a lot of people to do so and that's all great, but I think it's important for developers to realize that it's probably a bad idea to deliberately make a game specifically for use with a controller in Flash even though the possibility exists because there are better options.

I don't get it, this post has nothing to do with robots or fat chicks. What's wrong Chamber?

Oh and yeah, Xpadder is pretty swank. I use that for GGPO.

I'm not pigeon holing, I have a gamepad and use Joy2Key for everything. I'm just making a neutral argument. Flash as we know it is not controller friendly, it is just a social stigma, not an physical impossibility, so it would be unwise for a developer to think otherwise.

Let's say for example you create a beautiful oil painting, but try to make it look exactly like it was done in watercolor. It's beautiful and great, but you could've done it a thousand times more easily in watercolor. That's what crossing mediums is to me and that's why I think it's silly to purposely work a suggested controller option into a flash game. There are just better ways to do it. It'd be just like saying playing Halo 3 on the 360 is better if you hook up a mouse and keyboard. It's silly. It's not impossible, and sure, it'll make the gameplay experience better, but the point is that the developer made the decision to use the 360 medium, so it should take advantage of that medium over another.

I understand Flash has a lot of edges over other mediums, I like using Flash, so I can see why developers would want to use it other mediums, but my point is that it's silly to make a Flash game solely with the intention of controlling it with a controller.

Maybe it will change in the future. Like you said Adobe is making changes to support it? That's neat. I'd like to see how it pans out.

I'm not trying to bite your throat dude I like you I'm not being malicious here!

I love joy2key! if only i had a better controller though :/

You know what, I think we should just hold hands and sing a song.

I've been playing all kinds of games on my xBox360 controler for the past few weeks.

also too bad there wasn't a way to share controller settings for a 360 controller.

ex: you send us a link to a file that when used sets up our 360 controllers to play ng rumble.

Wow Thanks Now i Need To Go Out And Buy One Like Yours Thanks For Keeping Uf Informed

Ha way to keep up an oppinion Egoraptor.

Also, MC i worded my post wrong, i of course had the controller in and it wasn't "being found" so im kinda at a loss here and wouldn't a later version of DirectX work just the same?

MindChamber responds:
"Nothing is better than Free"

Agreed mate, but my ver of xpadder IS free AND legit. gotcha!
http://tinyurl.com/r2glxu

A good analogy would be to say that making a console game in Flash is a bit like making Halo Wars for the 360, or Guitar Hero for the DS. Like you're swimmin against the tide there.
I don't think he's saying Flash games should be small and shitter than console games, I think he's just sayin they should be intuitive and accessible- And adding controller support directly opposes that.
Of course it'd only be an optional thing in any game.

Yo I'm just paraphrasin all this.

I knew that controller I found would have a use!

I'm so going to try this out :D Thanks MC!

And this is where I thank myself for getting a SNES to USB converter. :D

I have that and <3 it, you just reminded me I need to get pink knight medals, :D

Hmm... Nice.

Well, being the gadget-addict that I am, I disassembled a very old controller, I'm busy determining what wires are what before I measure up the electricity needed to run it and then hook it into a USB cable that the head was torn off of, never bothered to fix the cable, anyone who reads this, I might Youtube the "maiden voyage" of my boot-legged USB PS-One controller...

"The keyboard really has become somewhat obsolete for anything of more the most casual of games."

I play GTA4 and Battlefield on my keyboard? And that's not that bad.

I must be a complete moron, because I cannot set controls for my gamepad. It's reading my pad, and I have the latest DirectX, but when I try to assign the buttons it doesn't work. Any idea what's going on?

I have no idea what you're talking about lmao.

Oh wait, yes I do. Right.

I forget.

Hell ya Street Fighter Controller I HAVE GOT TO GET ME ONE!!!!

I remember you have mentioned it a good while back. I just never got around until now sense you gave a link.

Anyway thx.

I'm really planning to push the use of Joy2Key with my next platforming game, but if the next version of flash supports usb interfaces that would be fantastic.

Hmm, I've always felt more comfortable using my keyboard than joysticks or other console controls. For multiplayer games this might really come in handy though, thanks for the linkage.

OK ILL TRY TO BE LESS OF A RETARD NEXT TIME JEEZ

I didn't imagine this topic would spark such a back and forth. I remember playing Meatboy when it first came out and there was a suggestion about using your xbox controller to play and that it was more fun/challenging that way. At the time, I was really sad because i (like most of my friends) didn't have an xbox.

I can understand what Egoraptor's point is (or what i think it is). If i saw a game that REQUIRED an xbox controller and this joy2key dealy i would be kinda pissed. I don't have any kind of usb hookups so i would be able to play said game.

However, I see nothing wrong with games like Meatboy that say "you know, you can play with a controller too for a different feel." It reminds me of when i first played DOOM with a Joystick, and when i first tried (and failed) to play X vs Tie without a joystick.

Basically, i think that if someone feels the need to use flash (which is becoming a more powerful gaming language each year) to make an extremely complex game that requires a controller to play, i'd be sad and wouldn't play it; thousands of others with the right set up would play it. Someone mentioned earlier that using a controller for flash games is like guitar hero on the DS. I wouldn't say that at all, because the DS controls are very bizarre and require some creative designing around them; using a program that strait up replaces your keyboard with a controller doesn't effect the game design at all.

Now, if you were trying to play flash games by rubbing your balls on a wacom tablet, then that argument of counter-intuitive controls might stand...

tl;dr I typed too much.

Haha!
I loved this post!
It's really, really funny reading your replies MC. And also reading Egoraptor (my idol in flash movies ^^) over-brained rather (to me) illogical statements/opinions.

I myself would find it nice to have the option to play a game with a controller instead of the keyboard, as long as it doesn't REPLACE the keyboard, which it apparently doesn't. I understand both statements, but I find Egoraptor's "ideal" in this matter illogical, though this evolvement in Flash history doesn't really change much; it only adds yet another opinion.
I find it great, and I'm grateful for you telling us about this program, though I've never even heard of it.

I'll definetely download this program at this instance (well, not really. I have to post this comment first) and try it out! I have this really old USB controller lying around here somewhere. I just hope it still works!

Anyways, keep the discussion up! I'd love to come back to smile and giggle some more!

I should check what I write more often <.< Deleting my errors ^^

I meant option, not opinion :P

I also forgot to say: cute controller ^^

Great idea! Works awsome!

Does it work with wii and ps3 controllers?

A lot of people prefer keyboard and mouse to controllers, thats one of the main reason I gave up console gaming, mouse and keyboard allows more choices. I can reason a joystick could beat a mouse with movement where the mouse fails and keys aren't really pressure sensative. I haven't played a flash game where a controller would honestly improve my ability to play it, maybe a little but it would lack in other areas and nothing has been so affected having a controller would improve it.

Da Pink Knight was fucking epic, man. I got a fuckton of medals upon completing it.

I should try FPA with this

Ah, so THAT's why The Pink Knight felt so awkward; It's developer was thinking in console game terms.

Oh well, I don't intend on buying a 360 or a PS3 any time soon anyway. There are plenty of good, full games made for PC without buying a whole new system. It's perfectly possible to make a game where the keyboard and mouse are the most effective controls; generally people making games for computers try to do that.

wow
what a way to become a real game geek
thanks mindchamber
:D

street fighter!!!!!Ilove it!!!!!!

I play with my the mouse in my left hand and the keyboard spun around the wrong way for extra-hard mode.

Question, Does the Controller have to be wired? Because my 360 Controller is wireless and can't connect to a PC unless I'm charging it, but since the wired has a USB cord can I use that?

Also, nifty controller, yo.

Thanks a lot Mindchamber. I'm now thinking about doing this for my future Flash projects.

Pfttt screw that I'm hardcore, I got all my Pink Knight medals with the keyboard. Although I'm quite used to playing a lot of games with the keyboard, I have found myself using the gamepad option on a lot of freeware though. Perhaps it's about time I DL Joy2Key.

Also that's a hot controller you got there.

yey
an NG staff replied to one of my comments
and btw
that wasn't sarcastic
and there are users who have 5000+ medal points
hehe
:3

I have an n52TE wich comes with its own mapping software, but i never actually thought much about mapping it to flash games. Come to thing of it, it is a great idea, although it may be difficult to play it on a one handed controller -__-.

good night >:(

Dude, I remember I did this for duke nukem when I was like 5, THANKS FOR BRINGING THIS SHIT BACK TO LIFE!

Also, expanding on my earlier comment, i found xpadder a lot more user friendly. It let you ypload a pic of the controller and place the buttons on the image. You then could save it and reprogram easily to any game. Not sure if Joy2key can do this :P

well,sounds like a good idea...its just that i dont have a controller xD
btw loved da pink knight :D

So i downloaded the software and everythign , connected my PS3 controller and it wont work.... any suggestions?? PLZ IM DESPERATE TO PLAY MEATBOY WITH MY PS3 CONTROLLER!!!!! (and of course ur games 2 lol)

Wow insightfull I can wait to be a progammer then become a wage whore
MCyour cool and imformitive did I spell that rigth?

I dunno if its been said, but Tommy (tommunism) made a program like this especially for flash called flashjoystick.

http://flashjoystick.pillowfortgames.
com/

its quite awesome and you can setup mapping in your games in game. I used it for Meat boy and Grey matter and people seemed to love it.

Meh, my Xbox controller is for my Xbox 360 and my Keyboard is for Newgrounds.

Sorry, I'm going to keep it that way.

I got my 360 controller in and working but I can't get the program to read the commands from it.. Any help?

I don't have my xbox controller with me atm but I'll give it a shot next week. Can you bind enter and escape? I've used Flash Joystick and if I remember correctly it doesn't support some keys (which is annoying)

You love using that don't you? Your old games used to use that as well.

Xbox newb
PS3 all the way.

After playing your game, I may understand how you feel about using controllers, why did you have to make ASD left handed keys, or at least make S the attack button, I can't feel my ring finger.

By the way, I keep getting screwed over on the medal where you jump attack 3 or more minions, I spent the better part of 2 hours trying to get Boss to spawn 3 minions at one time, and he never did, I wasted time on every single level and I couldn't get him to make 3, is there a certain way to make him spawn minions?

shuddup old man
mindchamba

I prefer my keyboard. It is great for Rock band. Smash the keys for the drums is simply nothing short of astonishing.

i don't really see the point in using this joy2key thing like it think it just easy to use the keyboard because like me i am good with a keyboard so i don't see the point in using this joy2key thing

ya know mind, your a good guy, and i dont think people are respecting your Pink Knight game. Im sorry about the comment i made giving it a 0 but a 3.60 is a little low for something that well done.

You are one of the best artists I know, specializing in many games and movies.
I think I'm ready to take that first step for the power of three. My crew is as follows
Aronkong(that guy above me) as a musician, 14hlb as a programmer, and me. I will try to go that distance, and hopefully I wont come home wheelchair bound.

Aronkong bailed out on us. X_X
It's all good, Rig was a great guy to join our team at such a late notice.

J2K sux...use Xpadder...

FUCK! I'm getting one right now.

Hey there.

Now that I have an XBox360, I remembered about this program you mentioned back in NG Rumble times... Now I'll be able to try it.
Dammit, I feel some envy looking at that SF controller... That are available only through import here in Spain (And yet, they're DAMN hard2find & expensive.)
I know this isn't really related to the post, but... Any of you tried the MadCatz Regular controller? I'm tired of the MS pads D-pad (Why did they made a D-pad pressable in the center? It moves up or down when you do that and it's damn hard not to involuntarily do that.)
Someday I'll get the net in my home... Hope I can play with you in SFIV, GoW or Halo 3!!!

Cool, thanks MC.

About all the arguements and well thought-out opinions, I just think its funny that people have to comment negative things about something that is totally optional. Its not like the Joystick is taking over the keyboard, I understand your just trying to makeh de game experience awesomer and I salute you for it comrade.

would you like a slice of delicious cake?

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16 controllers you say?
That'd be good in a Newgrounds meet-up.

Thanks to this post I was inspired to crack out the ps2 controller and usb converter thingy I had forgotten I'd bought.

Might have a go at Da Pink Knight again, cheers MC.

Hey MC, i've finally got Joy2Key to find a controller but now im stuck at assignign keys and all that, im just staring at the interface... not knowing what to do...

And i've checked the tutorial etc.

just played da pink knight with this, fucking awesome. feels like i'm playing a real console game. thanks man! :]

Wow, you can actually get that PAD?

are you challenging me to a match in SF4?

Ok i've assigned X and Y buttons and all that, it's not registering on the controller still... As in it's not moving the cursor or even doing anythig.

The fuck?

Can you please check out this post? It's about you and many other NG staff being on facebook.
http://mrty.newgrounds.com/news/post/
317421

i would do it but i have a wireless xbox360 controller and no receiver thing , tried connecting my play and charge kid 2 it and then 2 computer but didnt work :P

Is your name really "Mind" anyway? How strange.

yes, his name is Mind. Mind Ortiz

can it work with a xbox 360 controler

Well after many hours of finding out how to make the god damn thing work, I have done it.

I set up my Xbox 360 inserted the Ethernet cable now how do I get my computer to regonize my controller.
It seems to me in the picutre your using a Street Fight 4 Xbox 360 controller correct?

http://ex-buster-wolf.deviantart.com/
art/Mars-EX-3-124297991

Same thing as Switchblade, wich I already have but dont use..

Just figured it out sorry MindChamber
God dang it now I look like a complete retard!
So you use a USB cord for your controller!

Holy shat! This program is bitchin'

Thanks alot MindChamber!
Just gotta find a USB cable at Target or Something.
By the way whats your real name?

cool what price is it i could maybe buy one

hello

.:to boomtoons:.
his real name is.....well, i know it, but should i tell him?

now all i would need is a way to actually connect my controller to my pc.

Start an art collab or something

Wow are you really 74?

hmm, I should probably check out that program, too bad the only console I own is a Playstation 2 and well, the controls aren't compatible unless you buy an adaptor... I'm technically screwed.

having trouble logging in? :)

joyzofkeys.jpg hehe, I giggled

THAWNK YYOUZ!

Not trying to complain, but.. Does any of this work for a direct mac operating system? It's fine if it doesn't , though...

Alright, So I plugged in my 360 controller, and (because im on vista) its just spent 3 hours searching for the updates. >.<

When it found the drivers or whatever, I installed Joy2Key... But it doesnt recognise my controller..

Help?

http://www.smouch.net/lol

You Know The Rules.. And So Do I.

I love that controler.
and Ryu's looks BADASS!

Lol! Much better!

you're cute when you make up stuff to justify your misplaced rage

16 people you say?! Well fuck yeah!

why would i change your password and e-mail? we love when you come and visit, you say the dumbest things! now come, there's no need for you to be embarrassed about your memory loss as we all know it's one of the side effects of internet-induced stress. despite this, i have changed your password to "i love rtil" so you can log back in. you're welcome :)

I don't get it.
You live in America, why is your English so bad?

Both things, really. Reading the responses you give to some people like "Jeez you are really are >>some kinda of<< coward."

Now I wouldn't mind if you weren't an asshole to begin with.

Can I feed the maygar with this?

Have been playing flashes on my x360 controller with xpadder since like forever

I suppose this is my punishment for buying a Wii :(

I think what Egoraptor was trying to say in his posts was that Flash games work because they're supposed to be as accessible as possible. He's not saying they actual gameplay should be simplistic and contrite, just pointing out that if there's a flash game you have to use a controller to play, most people are just going to say, "fuck this, I'm looking elsewhere"..

At the same time, however, just having the controller as an option isn't a bad thing.

Also, I disagree with your statement that most flash games are just reiterations of console games... Or rather, that most good games are. Yes, the portal is flooded every day with crap platformers and beat 'em ups that are just trying to be the next Mario or River City Ransom, but most of the truly great and fun games are made with the mouse/keyboard setup in mind. Look at games like Aether, the Thing Thing series, Amorphous+, the Remus series, and pretty much every defense game are designed for the keyboard/mouse setup, and these are truly the games that are bringing something new into the Flash library. See, you're telling Ego not to put flash into a box, but you're doing it your self by saying flash games are typically console emulators, and that's what they should be. Flash games should be designed to be as good as console games, not just like them...

UHAAAAAAARRRGGG!!!!!